Alexandru Isztoika Loyos si Karol Racz.
Cum adica frate, romanii Loyos si Racz?????????????? Nici n-as sti cum se citeste exact numele vreunuia. Cei doi posesori de pasaport romanesc sunt acuzati recent de viol la Roma. Dar cum adica si noi, care stim sa facem diferenta aici, nu putem explica cum stau lucrurile??? Ne ajunge, avem uscaturile noastre, dar cum oricine face o magarie, tot Romania saraca trage? Tzigan, albanez, basarabean, maghiar, nici o problema. Blame Romania.
Daca tot se doreste bilingv si pentru inscriptia de pe peretele toaletei si daca tot fiecare minoritate isi doreste recunoastere aparte, de ce nu si cand vine vorba de faradelege?? Normal, pe ei ii inteleg, dar noi toti suntem atat de idioti incat sa mai incasam una????.... De parca mai avem unde, de parca nu ne ajung tampeniile noastre.
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Cum adica romanii Isztoika Loyos si Karol Racz?????????????
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1. Vorbim de o problema de imagine a tarii, atat in interior, cat mai ales in exterior.
2. Problema in cauza doare si fara sa ne penalizeze financiar statul roman and if we flip the coin rezulta ca e nevoie de mobilizare si fara finantarea statului roman.
3. Daca tu ai vazut pana acum vreo campanie serioasa de imagine a Romaniei semnata de vreo agentie de publicitate sau si mai bine, rezultata din asocierea mai multor agentii, atunci m-as bucura nespus sa impartasesti si cu mine frumoasa experientza, ca eu n-am trait nici una din rasa asta. A, stai, pardon, eu nu traiesc in Romania, eu sunt in Transilvania – total altceva, e zona aia in care datorita lipsei descentralizarii nu ajung niciodata finantarile serioase, doar resturile trecute de filtrul mai de la sud, e zona aia unde totul se face cu maxim de efort, cu 100% finantari din fonduri proprii si neaparat prin colaborari cu straini. Bun, da’ totusi, trebuia sa m-ajunga campania aia macar ca fiind intr-o tzara vecina, cam la fel cum ar trebui sa-i ajunga si pe italieni ca sa-si schimbe parerea imbecila fatza de romanii pe care in vremea cand se circula pe baza de vize ii acuzau de discriminare pentru ca-i restrictionau pe tigani, iar acum ii pun la zid pentru aceeasi tigani si alte scursuri, cu totii ajunsi in ograda lor “nediscriminatoare” pe baza unui simplu buletin.
4. Sa zicem ca a fost nevoie de o palma mai zdravana ca sa ne trezim. Considerand dezastrul actual legat de imaginea Romaniei un fel de moment zero, cam cand intuiesti tu ca avem sa asistam la o campanie de imagine initiata de agentiile de publicitate din tzara? Sau… daca nu mai este client pe care sa dam vina in cazul in care iese ca porcu’… nu mai facem publicitate?
Nu de alta, da’… intreb si eu, ca vad atata idemn la proactivitate si asa o mare pasiune dascaliceasca in randu’ publicitarilor alor mari si cu experientza (de care, by the way, n-a auzit nici mama dracului in tzarile surori europene – despre U.S. povestim numai ca sa ne aflam in treaba eventual – si stii bine ca daca am intrebat, am intrebat oameni mari care si daca nu ne cauta ei pe noi, macar exista sansa sa-i fi cautat unii dintre noi pe ei. Mmmnu, nu i-a cautat nici dracu’, crede-ma. Si uite de-aia nu ne cunosc.). Bun, si cu atatia oameni-model in jur, taaaaare tare mi-as dori si eu un mic semn ca modelul ala nu e despre a ne gasi subiect de poveste la o bere si a ne varsa frustrarile pe altii cu si mai putina experientza, carora le organizam cica scoli alternative de publicitate – pardon… Cineva in povestea asta n-are dreptate, ori eu, ori oamenii-model. Mi-as dori sa fie primul caz, dar asta presupune o demonstratie prealabila. Absentza ei imi da dreptate mie deocamdata. Unfortunately.
So… go again, de data asta invita-ti si colegii de breasla, ca momentan lupti de unul singur – si uite de-aia ti-am zis habar n-am de cate ori pana acum ca lucrezi pe platforma nepotrivita, ca te aperi de furtuna cu o umbrela gaurita si de soare cu una transparenta. Si crede-ma, daca mi-ar sta in putere, ti-as fabrica o alternativa right now. Habar n-ai cat de frumos si de tihnit car eu in spate atat imaginea de rahat a tzarii, cat si lipsa totala de imagine a publicitatii romanesti. 24 hrs/day. Wide hugs.
Ştiu, şi pe mine mă enervează îngrozitor că toată lumea se referă la Ladislau Bölöni, Miodrag Belodedici, Gheorghe Hagi şi alţi venetici ca şi când ar fi români, o ruşine, dom'ne.
Mai uşor cu astea, Căpă, că n-oi fi singurul minoritar român care te citeşte.
Dacă eşti cu adevărat un naţionalist român, îi vei accepta pe toţi cetăţenii ţării tale aşa cum sunt - cu bune (vezi exemplele ilustre de mai sus) şi cu rele (vezi violatorii de căcat care bântuie mentalul colectiv al italienilor), fie ei de etnie maghiară, ţiganească sau sârbă. E o chestiune de principiu, atâta tot, şi nu e bine să amesteci principiile cu umorile naţionaliste. E o combinaţie extrem de indigestă, mai ales că noi cu toţii avem o vină colectivă că în mii de ani de când au intrat ţiganii printre noi, pe teritoriul actual al poporului român, nu am reuşit să-i civilizăm. Cum de romanii oriunde mergeau aduceau cu ei civilizaţia, iar noi în propriile graniţe nu suntem în stare să găsim o soluţie de civilizare a unei anumite etnii? Un pic ciudat, nu ţi se pare?
Este doar părerea mea personală de român naţionalist care se întâmplă să poarte un nume sârbesc, atâta tot. Altfel... Dacă discutăm la nivel pur personal, fără să aplicăm principii de viaţă, sunt absolut de acord cu tine. Ce se întâmplă în momentul de faţă cu imaginea României în lume este absolut catastrofal şi cu atât mai dureros cu cât majoritatea celor care ne terfelesc renumele prin lume nici măcar nu sunt de etnie română. Poate măcar acum, în ceasul al doisprezecelea, se va trezi cineva şi va trata problema mai serios la nivel de conducere. Dar mă îndoiesc, sincer.
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am si rude si prieteni minoritari. maghiari, sirbi si chiar prieteni tigani absolut senzationali. dar exista o diferenta mare fata de spuneam eu - ei sunt sau s-au lasat civilizati si, cel mai important, au imbratisat/ asumat si romanismul (nume, cultura, istorie). normal ca sunt parte integranta din Romania si la fel de buni sau de rai ca noi toti.
dar imi pare rau cu ceilalti care nici nu pot articula buna ziua in romaneste nu am alta problema decat ca este doar un posesor de pasaport romanesc.
si da, marea probelam este confuzia in care ne-am lasat trasi - rom / roman (culmea smecheriei, a mai disparut si un r de la inceputul cuvantului).... am mai scris pe temea asta - peste tot in lume sunt "gitanes" - pentru ca asa este etnia. .la noi a devenit periorativ ghici din cauza cui ?????
si la fel - nu am reusit sa-i civilizam? pai ia zii tu cum.... cat sa te mai lasi furat, batut, violat? exact ce am facut noi, mi-au povestit in Italia ca au incercat si ei.... le-au facut un bloc unora, in car eau incercat sa-i cazeze.... au inceput iar sa se incalzeasca cu mobila, sa sparga tot, sa vanda geamurile... nici unul nu a acceptat slujbelel de munca, toti au iesit iar la furat si cersit...
am fost acum ceva vreem intre organizatori pentru un targ de joburi - initial pentru studenti - au aparut 10.000 pentru parca 8000 de joburi si le-au luat pe toate (de altfel foarte bune). Am organizat acelasi lucru pentru rromi, cu joburi de toate felurile si foarte bune (aveam inclusiv de lucru la bijutier) si o groaza in muzica... ma rog, orice practic.... au aparut doi, oricum la misto sa vada care-i spilu' si ne-au mai zis ca munca e pentru fraieri.
ia incearca sa-i civilizezi tu p'astia.
si nu, nu vorbim de o problema de imagine, vorbim de o problema reala si profunda... aceea a nu mai stii ce sau daca esti o natiune.
Pai… tocmai ca e o problema de imagine (provenita, fireste, din fapte reale), dar care din cauza exagerarilor ajuge si o problema de FALSA imagine. Let me show you how it works:
Criminalitate exista in toate tzarile, ce sa povestim despre bietii americani, ale caror inchisori contin peste 1% din populatie. INSA noi avem si o problema de imagine interna, care devine externa pe urmatorul principiu: neexistand nici cea mai vaga forma de mandrie nationala, istetii nostri care pleaca din tara pleaca uite fix cu textul asta: “Am plecat din Romania, pentru ca acolo e saracie, hotie si gunoi.” Pai daca eu ca roman ma duc cu textul asta la masa neamtului, englezului sau italianului, aia de ce nu m-ar crede? Adica… am luat decizia sa-mi schimb viata, sa ma rup de radacinile radacinilor si s-o iau de la zero dintr-un motiv; dupa spusele mele, motivul pare a fi ca in Romania e saracie, hotie si gunoi. Simplu. Deci E O PROBLEMA MARE DE IMAGINE INTERNA, care prin mecanismul asta devine una si mai mare, externa.
Am inteles ca in Italia sunt peste un milion de romani. Pai Razvan, imagineaza-ti un milion de englezi, italieni sau francezi in Romania, si presa romana prezentandu-i pe toti intr-un anume fel negativ. Pai aia ne manca pe toti, ma’! Ai auzit tu de vreun protest al romanilor alora cinstiti din Italia impotriva xenofobiei cu care sunt tratati these days? Eu nu. Si e de lucrat la imagine TOCMAI pentru ca, exact cum zici, avem armatele alea de tigani cu buletin de Romania pe care NU AI CUM SA-I CIVILIZEZI. Chiar nu ai cum, pentru ca-s majoritatea animale. Pentru aia nu exista decat o solutie: induce fear and prove the fear has a real basis (i.e. fuckin’ imprison them). Aia n-au sa stie veci de vorba buna. Bine, ma’, ca europenii lu’ peshte ne-o dau cu drepturile omului aplicate tiganilor, dar pe romani ii trateaza cu doze interminabile de discriminare – si aici cel mai bun exemplu sunt restrictiile de munca. Restrictiile astea de munca sunt o alta importanta cauza a criminalitatii “romanilor” iesiti din tara, pentru ca incurajeaza munca la negru. Ori cine dracu’ sunt cei mai dispusi la a munci la negru? Inginerii? Medicii? Aia nici n-au cum pe felia lor si speram ca nu-s multi care prefera sa spele geamuri si toalete cu diplomele de inginerie sau medicina. Deci cei care nu-s deloc afectati de restrictii sunt FIX loazele dracului care oricum n-aveau de gand sa-si caute un loc de munca pe bune. Dar noi ne deranjam sa facem campanii pe tema asta? Nu. Do we bother to strike back, showing the causes? Nu. Cat de greu ar fi sa lovim inapoi cu un text de forma: “Pentru a ne angaja la negru in tara voastra, mai intai trebuie ca la voi in ograda sa existe angajatori de felul asta.”? Pentru ca in fond asta e mare treaba: restrictii de munca + existenta anajatorilor lor dispusi sa angajeze la negru = atragerea tuturor loazelor, hence the fucked up image we have.
Deci Razvan, cand o problema e reala, nu trebuie s-o mai si dublezi sau triplezi sau insutesti cu o imagine de basm de rahat despre Fat-Frumos Criminal Si Generalizarea. THAT’s what I’m saying. A better image buys us time to solve the shit. Also, a better image actually HELPS solve the shit (i.e. no work restrictions due to better image = less Romanian criminals abroad, which further enhances our image even more).
Si da, avem nevoie de timp: pare mult 20 de ani de la revolutie, insa pentru tema tiganilor, de exemplu, e foarte putin. Si da, avem mai multi si mai prosti decat altii, “multumita” lui Ceausescu, care ni i-a pus in casele istorice din centrul oraselor…. pentru ca “oricum erau vechi, da-le dracului, noi punem lumea buna in blocuri noi si rezistente”.
Si merg foarte mult pe ideea de imagine pentru ca din nefericire e una dintre putinele probleme de care ne putem apropia si singuri, fara sprijinul autoritatilor inexistente si totusi platite.
(And I’m so glad you feel it all at this level and with such vengeance :) – I knew I could rely on you. Thank you for that.)
Mda, asa e, dar in continuare cred ca cu tiganii aia de care tot vorbim atata avem doar doua solutii, din care doar una umana.
Perfect adevarat, insa cand omul iti refuza constant solutia umana, devine descurajant si nu-ti da nici un motiv sa te mai straduiesti pe directia asta. E o alegere pe care ei singuri o fac de fiecare data, cu pretul demnitatii unei natiuni intregi, care s-a-ntamplat sa le dea un buletin.
Tuca a facut primul pas, ti-a auzit strigatele :P
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Daca tot avem un stat impotent.
Ne vedem la o bere sa discutam? Ce-ar fi daca s-ar forma un grup "de influenta" care sa-i bage politiei pe gat, fortat, Viagra?
Sa trambiteze zi de zi, pe un site de exemplu, cazurile de impotenta a politiei: Suntem la Piata Sudului, sunt Z cersetori,Q valutisti de strada, Y vanzatori de tot felul de chestii, nimeni nu ii intreaba de autorizatii, declararea veniturilor, etc.
Sa trambiteze atat de tare incat sa devina incomod pentru "aia de sus" care sa dea cu biciul in ei.
Sunt deacord cu Capa. Ori esti roman tot anul si in buletin si in grai si in gandire, ori nu. Nu merge sa iti trambitezi tu mandru originile seculare si sa te bati cu pumnul in piept ca vrei tratament preferential, ca esti minoritate si ca vrei autonomie ori bagare in seama accetuata, iar atunci cand esti prins cu mata in sac, fie ea moarta sau vie, toata presa internationala sa scrie despre "un romana a violat/ucis/furat". Pai stai putin, asta era roman? De cand? Pai trecutul, actele, convingerile sale de minoritate oprimata s-au anulat instant? Sau stai, in ciuda tuturor, el de fapt a fost un bun roman tot timpul in sufletelul sau. Dar deep, foarte deep, incat lumea nu si-a putut da seama. Sincer, voi care scrieti pe aici, minoritati sau nu, ar trebui sa stiti ca a fi roman nu este o titulatura dobandita prin simpla nastere pe teritoriul Romaniei. Este mai mult. Este o responsabilitate si un privilegiu. Daca te consideri minoritate si vrei tratament preferential, atunci inseamna ca nu vrei sa fii in rand cu restul romanilor. Pai daca e asa, atunci sa fie, dar si la bine si la rau. Ai placute bilingve, serbezi "ziua tarii mama", dar si cand calci stramb nu iti afirma puternice sentimente de nationalist roman.
@Capa pe primul "roman" il cheama si Alexandru :P
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